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Last post 01-09-2007 6:47 PM by Sugarbabes. 10 replies.
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  • 01-06-2007 4:03 AM

    Somalia problem not Ugandan and no Kenya/tanzania episode.

    I would like a comment about Musevenis's involvement in Somalia. I think though we have a regional responsibility, its wise not involve our selves in the Somalia conflict. Yesterday al kahida promised to start sucide bombing in somali, ethiopia and those in favour of ethiopian troops in Somalia. Why bring the problem at our homes. I think Museveni is forgetting history, something he is very good at. I think he should take in consideration that people in the sentral will suffer most in case we get another kenya/tanzania episode in Uganda not the west. This is gambling with very sensitive people. I remeber when america was in somalia, to get a real glimt of the reality, look for the film called black hawk down. They killed the americans and on top of this, they tied the dead body on a pickup car a drove the coops in the streets of mogadishu. Museveni should not drug Ugandans in this war. Let ethiopia do the good job so long.

     

    Is Museveni doing right? 

     

    Caroline 

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  • 01-06-2007 3:09 PM In reply to

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    He is not right to get involved in this conflict - but then again, I doubt highly he gives two cents to what you and I think or say.  His decision to get involved might however lay heavily with promised "income" from those who wish to use his "base" to further their global aims and on one hand M7 may not have much of a backbone to resist.

    I don't look at the dead american soldiers paraded around on that truck as you state - I look at the many Ugandans and Kenyan nationals that died in the bombing of the American embassy in Kenya.  Those people didn't even count our dead as important, but were shouting and waving slogans at the only two american nationals that got hit in that bombing.

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  • 01-07-2007 3:10 AM In reply to

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    Thanks alot fro your comments. What i meant since M7 has managed to some extent to restore democracy, now MPs making noise about car issues, the people of Uganda should make a demostration against any involvement in this conflict. Why does M7 need to involve himself in this, when back home he is not yet settled. I met with that example that, Uganda is going to be the next target of these ruthless Somalia people. I do not mean that all Somailies are like that, i only point out those radicles. So M/ should save us from such a disaster. The people affected are always the lay men. Kenya and Tanzania are working under secrecy, they do not go around advertising themselves and showing off. I mean this is a wrong move but time will tell.

     

     

     

     

     

     

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  • 01-07-2007 5:29 AM In reply to

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    Caroline - you may have hit the nail on the head in one of your separate postings when you stated dictatorship is at times necessary in leadership.  Persons such as yourself and I have the priviledge to speak out against what we may see going down in Uganda because we are not caught in the thick of things on ground to suffer the wrath of doing so. 

    Since you are in Ug currently, you may have been aware of a planned demonstration by one opposition group that should've taken place yesterday.  Threats about the safety of those intending to participate were clear - therefore chances of demonstrating weighed heavily upon personal stakes.  Demonstrating in Ug is on occasion cited to be breach of national security - you may not only end up gased, but political intimidation may also be a long term option you will need to bear in mind.  Something not quite palatable when all a person wants is to be able to have a chance to work safely in order to have a buck to stave off the hunger.

    Therefore in answer to your raised question about Ugians on ground demonstrating against their president's choice of actions in Somalia - the cons of having a military regime in power disallow such liberties - real bullets do get fired and lives are lost.

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  • 01-07-2007 11:32 AM In reply to

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    I think this is M7s way to stay in power after 2011. He is trying to be in power when the EA Comunnity starts. Am meant to understand that EA will have one president beginning from 2013. Making the country unstable is a trick to remain in power to stabilize the country. He did before, when i needed five years to compesate for the bush time, the draft constitutions in favour of him, when people were tired, he reinstored the Kabaka, he got some more years, people got tired and then he accepted mutiparty system, now the somali issue, which will destabilize Uganda and then he has to stay to stabilize agian. Otherwise many people should complain and write articles in the newspaper on the Somali issue. Its smelling trouble soon, which can be avoided.
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  • 01-08-2007 12:29 AM In reply to

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    Re: Somalia problem not Ugandan and no Kenya/tanzania episode.

    My two cents

    Before M7 sends any troops to any other African country, he should send troops to Northern Uganda and settle the conflict in the North of Uganda (Kony ppl) before he meddles into other African countries affairs.

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  • 01-08-2007 9:29 AM In reply to

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    Very correct. Lets solve problems home first and then think of others
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  • 01-08-2007 9:34 AM In reply to

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    Re: Somalia problem not Ugandan and no Kenya/tanzania episode.

    Go gals, go. U r all saying wot I shd be saying on this thread so I will sit it out 4 now.
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  • 01-09-2007 5:23 AM In reply to

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    Re: Somalia problem not Ugandan and no Kenya/tanzania episode.

    Regional Politics does interest me so is how the great lakes try to involve in these issues. First and foremost the Somali issueis a delicate one and the fighting in mogadishu is soon turning into a civil war! You see for somalis theirs is a tribal war and the youth high on murra a local herb stage roadblocks to reap money from traders. If the mighty US whose hands were beaten down in the 1990s dont want   to go there who are we to send our gallant sons and daughters into hell?M7 can strategise and position himself for the bigger EA but this gambit could be his last straw on his way out. Only we dont learn from previous mistakes.
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  • 01-09-2007 8:54 AM In reply to

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    Re: Somalia problem not Ugandan and no Kenya/tanzania episode.

    I am shocked!!!  Am I the only one who thinks that African nations need to unite to fix their problems? Mogadishu is only a two hour flight from Entebbe.... So we think by ignoriing the problems of anarchy in Mogadishu ( 2 HOURS AWAY!!!)... we think we are safe? 

    This is where I like Museveni.... Where others talk and theorize of African unity... With Museveni talk is cheap... Museveni  is at least influencing other African nations to do the same.... Otherwise should we leave the problem to the U.S?.... And then start beetching about U.S foreign policy there after?

    Just as we need to be involved in Northern Uganda... We need to be involved in Somalia's situation... Its only a matter of time before it becomes Uganda's situation... with or without Museveni.  IT IS ALREADY BECOMING ETHIOPIA's and KENYA'S SITUATION!!!!

    Thumbs up to Museveni.... hopefully he is at least influencing other African nations to do the same.... cuz Uganda can't do it alone.

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  • 01-09-2007 6:47 PM In reply to

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    shock must've been electrifying....at last, your feathers have been ruffled! Amen.  Yes, Musevini acts - that's what soldiers do, fire and ask questions later.

    No - Africans are very much united.  In impersonating names to steal and gain passports from their neighbours, blabbing on each other, mostly for monetary gain and spreading rumours be them facts or fiction; and competing against each other to the point of elimination. 

    Guess the worry of the everyday person is the repurcussions of one person's drive to leave a mark for his perception of unifying E. Africa at the cost of all internal wranglings that there is.  Casualties of war or collateral damage is kinda selective too.

    Whilst it is understandable that decisions have to be made whilst a person is in office which will not always go down well with all - it is usually the case that they leave a positive mark longer if the masses are in support or at least given the option to know they are part of the process.  Those masses need to feel they are part of the evolution as opposed to mere observers on the outskirts.    I guess when your everyday person is balancing his life on a 12-24hr scale, it's pretty hard to understand how his/her government can afford to be fighting a war removed from the one so close it's burning their solar plexus. The gap is so wide between those ruling and being ruled that communication is lost - not least helped by the fact that all major networks (MTN, Celtel and Mango) appear to have gone into cahoots at giving subscribers a hard time of recent. Kinda like having a partner that can go out and impress all his/her drinking (social) mates with his/her earnings and brings home nothing but sleep. Those working with M7 or even himself need to come down and engage with people and give them real working plans to see to their fears. 

    This is not an attack on M7, but a protest to all our leaders currently - to respect the electorate in their actions be them towards foreign policy or internal affairs.  The two are interchangeable yet both require just as much input and shouldn't just favour a personal goal alone.

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