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  • 12-31-2007 4:58 AM

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    Looting is back!!


    Looting is back in vogue.

    A fool and his money soon part ways.
    Intelligence is knowing a doctor may know why you are ill. Wisdom is knowing he too needs another doctor when ill.
    A word to the wise is enough.
    When in a hole (trouble), stop digging!!
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  • 12-31-2007 5:35 AM In reply to

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    Re: Looting is back!!

    where is this...?

    miniprice ? 

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  • 01-01-2008 10:04 AM In reply to

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    Kenya + Post Election= CHAOS, violence, Looting !!

    kakokoolo:


    Looting is back in vogue.

    WHICH WAY AFRICA??

    AFRICA SHOW ME THE ROAD TO FREEDOM

    The kids are looting in cities of KENYA =its poverty at the root of violence. yes the rich get richer and the poor get poorer. ther is hope in elections for change and then the incumbent sings the Uganda song of NO CHANGE.i GUESS kIBAKI IS DETERMINED TO RULE till the cows come back home IN THE EVENING OF HIS LIFE......

    The chaos in Kenya has affected Uganda and now there is shortage of fuel in Uganda and some Ugandans stranded in Kenya ccanot move to Uganda due to the chaos in kenya

    http://www.monitor.co.ug/artman/publish/news/124_die_in_Kenya_election_violence.shtml

    http://www.newvision.co.ug/D/8/12/604450

    http://www.newvision.co.ug/D/8/14/604443

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  • 01-01-2008 11:45 AM In reply to

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    Re: Looting is back!!

    thought this was out of this world till I saw cnn videos... its bad.
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  • 01-02-2008 2:18 AM In reply to

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  • 01-02-2008 12:02 PM In reply to

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    Kenya + Post Election= CHAOS, violence, Looting !!

    kakokoolo:


    Looting is back in vogue.

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    Shall we ever have a moment of mature democracy in Africaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Why cant Kibaki see the signs of the times? In 1966 Obote called in the ARMY to storm Kabaka Palace and that sucked in the ARMY into Uganda's national civilian politics.

    In 2008 Kibaki calls in the ARMY to silence oposition and BE SURE,  Kibaki has opened the door for KENYA MILITARY to enter Kenya  Civilian Politics....... am afraid its an irreversable step he has made = and it may turn out to be a big mistake. Yes the army may suprise us by stepping in to say enough is enough with corrupt civilian politics and with dictators and with tribal violence. Now what happened to the long sang for mature democracy of Kenya that was for long  the model of democracy in Africa? God knows !

    And so ma question is:

    WHICH WAY AFRICA??

    AFRICA SHOW ME THE ROAD TO FREEDOM

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  • 01-03-2008 5:10 AM In reply to

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    Re: Kenya + Post Election= CHAOS, violence, Looting !!

    Meanwhile Ugandan President Yoweri Museveni has become the first African leader to congratulate President Kibaki on his disputed re-election.
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/7169155.stm

     

    + Somalia, now we have gone to our closest neighbor... this is bad and shameful...,


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  • 01-04-2008 8:24 AM In reply to

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    Re: Kenya + Post Election= CHAOS, violence, Looting !!

    welcome to hell kenya!

    very dispiriting and challenging situation. Surely Kibaki should have know the outcome of his action.It takes a day to ruin a nation and years to build it back again.

     

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  • 01-04-2008 11:44 PM In reply to

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    Re: Kenya + Post Election= CHAOS, violence, Looting !!

    Does it make sense to cripple more than 3 to 5 countries' economy in order to satisfy one man's economy?

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  • 01-05-2008 10:17 AM In reply to

    Re: Kenya + Post Election= CHAOS, violence, Looting !!

    Kibaki and Michuki need to understand that brutalization, domination, manipulation, exploitation, and marginalization of poor Kenyans will never build Kenya. If anything, it only serves to breed hatred, anger, acrimony and bloodshed. Kibaki's advisors like Prof. Nick Wanjohi need to help Kibaki to analyze the antecedents of a people's revolution.

    They need to open his eyes to clarify and understand the complex and shifting positions of the various interest groups that surround him. The wanton abuse of human rights, the appropriation of state power and its resources, and hostility to popular and progressive forces will not help Kenya one bit. It will only catapult Kenya into denigration, tribalism, pity, and exploitation.

    We have to fight to terminate the natural processes of tribalism and class.

    Our duty right now is to come up with an ideology that transcends class and social locations in the production and power relations and to assume the existence of a spiritual or material unity just because it concerns Kenyans. We have to fight to terminate the natural processes of tribalism and class. Let me reiterate the fact that the future of Kenya will look a hundred times worse than the dismal present unless Kibaki, Raila, and their followers take seriously the lives of the Kenyans, their empowerment, and the total democratization of Kenya.

    So states a Kenyan blogger within the midst of what's going down...  QS - Sense is one thing that appears to elude some leaders who get too heady with power.  I pray that this is a lesson for our leaders within Ug to take note of.

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  • 01-05-2008 10:25 AM In reply to

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    Kenya + Post Election= CHAOS, violence, Looting !!

    kakokoolo:


    Looting is back in vogue.

    The African Proverb says:

                                        When two ELEPHANTS fight

                                         (kibaki + odinga)

                                        Its the GRASS

                                        (wanainci=common man)

                                        which suffers!!!!

     

    AFRICA SHOW ME THE ROAD TO FREEDOM

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  • 04-17-2008 11:50 AM In reply to

    From Kenya now to Zimbabwe!

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/7352404.stm

    After the saga in Kenya it looks as if Africa has invented brand new democracy, steal the vote, fail to release results after 1wk+, thereafter declare yourself president.

    And I'll soar on wings like an EaGle
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  • 04-18-2008 2:51 AM In reply to

    Re: From Kenya now to Zimbabwe!

     Then again perhaps...

    On Wednesday, the United Nations Security Council will convene in New York for a special session chaired by South Africa 's President Thabo Mbeki.

    Zanu-PF  supporters

    British criticism has played into the hands of Zanu-PF

    They are meeting to discuss ways of improving co-operation between the African Union and the United Nations.

    The issue has never been more timely.

    South Africa's president has been the point-man for the region's, and the world's, diplomatic efforts to resolve Zimbabwe 's increasingly desperate crisis.

    He has also staked his legacy on success in Zimbabwe .

    He argues that the rest of the world should butt out and let Africans resolve the problems in an African way.

    Western finger-wagging, he says, simply does not help.

    Although Zimbabwe is not officially on the agenda, diplomats from the United States and Britain are determined to make it so.

    And in a not-so-subtle attempt to catch the Security Council's eye, one organisation is planning to fly a 3,000-sq-ft (280-sq-m) banner above the UN on Wednesday morning, calling on Mr Mbeki to convince Zimbabwe's leader Robert Mugabe to respect the will of his people.

    The banner, with some 120,000 signatures, is likely to be the latest in a loud chorus of international demands to "do something" about democracy in Zimbabwe .

    More harm than good

    Over the weekend, it was UK Prime Minister Gordon Brown's turn, declaring: "We can't wait any longer for the announcement of these results."

    The US said it had "credible reports of violence and intimidation" against opposition supporters and called on the government to end the attacks.

    British Prime Minister Gordon Brown

    Gordon Brown has called for the election results to be released

    Zimbabwe is an easy target for Western governments.

    The image of Robert Mugabe as an arrogant dictator is straightforward and easy to condemn.

    Doing so polishes politicians' credentials as democrats defending human rights, without having to worry about losing things like oil.

    But the bitter lesson of the past decade has been that in being openly critical, the West has done more harm than good in Zimbabwe .

    Starting with former UK Prime Minister Tony Blair and his then International Development Secretary Clare Short more than a decade ago, British criticism has played into President Mugabe's view of black Africa under siege by white colonialists.

    Rather than increasing pressure for him to go, the criticism has given Mr Mugabe fuel for his rhetorical fire.

    Lessons of history

    In 1997, Ms Short wrote a now infamous letter to Zimbabwe 's Agriculture Minister, Kumbirai Kangai. She was responding to President Mugabe's demand that Britain fulfill its Lancaster House agreement to pay for land redistribution from white farmers to poor black Zimbabweans.

    "I should make it clear," she said, "that we do not accept that Britain has a special responsibility to meet the costs of land purchase in Zimbabwe ."

    "We are a new government from diverse backgrounds without links to former colonial interests. My own origins are Irish and, as you know, we were colonised, not colonisers."

    It hardly matters now whether that letter really did send Mr Mugabe into a rage that became focused on the white farmers who were to lose their properties in the land invasions that began in 2000.

    But it showed a basic misunderstanding of Zimbabwe 's recent colonial history that still taints the West's approach to the country.

    After Zimbabwe 's liberation war of the 1970s to overthrow Ian Smith's minority government, the white community reached an unspoken compact with President Mugabe's Zanu-PF party.

    If they stayed out of politics, they would be left alone.

    But when the issue over land flared up, they began to support the opposition Movement for Democratic Change (MDC) in a move that Mr Mugabe came to regard as a continuation of the war by other means.

    It became easy to cast the MDC as poodles of London and Washington , particularly as it accepted support from both.

    Now, every utterance from either capital confirms a view of the West as one that still cannot accept the idea that Africans should be allowed to shape their own destinies.

    That is what Mr Mbeki meant when he said on Sunday that "there is no crisis".

    Regional solidarity

    One of his negotiating team, Sydney Mufamadi, said he understood the anxiety about the delay in releasing election results.

    But he added: "Those of us that have a responsibility to make sure a resolution is found, also have a responsibility to say that we have not reached a dead end because we know what processes can still be activated to remove the blockage."

    Thabo Mbeki and Robert Mugabe

    Thabo Mbeki shows solidarity with Robert Mugabe

    The need to keep control of this crisis within African hands may also explain why the region's leaders have been so reluctant to openly criticise Mr Mugabe.

    In this, they are oddly out of step with public opinion, and in Thabo Mbeki's case even within his own party.

    On Tuesday, President Mbeki¿s African National Congress released a statement that described the situation in Zimbabwe as ¿dire¿, and as having a negative impact on all of southern Africa .

    The statement did not attack the president directly of course, but it was an implicit criticism of his policy of ¿quiet diplomacy¿ and that widely derided ¿no crisis¿ remark.

    The frustration with the situation is not just limited to South Africa .

    If the newspaper columns are any indication, neighbouring states firmly believe that Zimbabwe 's 84-year-old leader should go as soon as possible.

    But the cost to the dignity of leaders like Mr Mbeki to be seen to be heeding their former colonial masters is too much to bear.

    Southern African countries are painfully aware of the impact of Zimbabwe 's collapse.

    They are hosting some three million Zimbabweans and these are states that can barely afford to feed themselves.

    Yet African solidarity still seems to be the defining theme of regional diplomacy.

    The leaders of the Southern African Development Community (Sadc) spent more than 12 hours in a summit that finally ended at 0500 on Sunday - more than 11 hours later than scheduled.

    Sources suggest there was a fierce debate over whether the situation constituted a "crisis" or not, and about whether there should be some kind of government of national unity.

    The final communique said there was no crisis, and blandly called on the Zimbabwe Electoral Commission to release the results "as expeditiously as possible".

    And that may be where Sadc focuses its efforts. In his briefing, mediator Sydney Mufumadi said Sadc understood it had to follow up its words with actions, and that in urging a "safe environment" for a runoff, it would have to work to make that happen.

    That chimes with opposition leader Morgan Tsvangarai's most recent statement in which he said he would take part in a run-off after all, but only if the electoral environment were indeed safe and secure, and as long as international mediators tracked the whole process from start to finish.

    It is a small concession, but it may yet prove crucial if those conditions are met.

    None of this is to suggest that the West should sit on its hands. But if history is anything to go by, UN pressure may only make it harder to resolve the crisis.

    "Worrying is like a rocking chair: it gives you something to do, but it doesn't get you anywhere."
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